[Walt]

Originally posted by thunderbt3
hey, i went to aj's today and met walt, tony and frank. i had fun there, anyone want me to video tape thier race and have thier own camera, im the man haha, just ask walt

it was nice meeting you guys, hope to see you guys this summer when ill be running nitro

dave

Dave's right... he was nice enough to video tape one of my qualifiers and the main for me. I watched the tape last night and it looks great... he did a good job.

I need to start video taping more races. It's fun later to watch and try to learn from mistakes... but as Frank knows, I didn't make any in yesterday's main (just kidding), but I've got good, in focus coverage of his mistake since he was close to me when he did it.

Also, we talked to AJ yesterday and confirmed that the 1/12th class is an 'open motor' class, so Frank and I will start running modified motors there once in a while, just so that we'll know what the heck we're doing if/when we go to 'big' races. Also, AJ agreed to change 1/12th scale back to 8 minute long races, like they should be.

We ran 8 minutes yesterday. Hopefully this will attract more of the local 1/12th guys to AJ's, as well as get some of the touring car guys to give it a try. 8 minute races are a lot more fun than 5 minute races... only 3 minutes longer, but it makes a big difference for some reason.

[Nexus]

fyi....if you guys didn't know yet.

congrats to mab man for making the show at the Novak Touring Car Championship held at Trackside.

Stock Rubber Touring Car - Triple A-Main Results

[Complete Stock Rubber Results]

1. 200 | 100 100 0 64/10:10.00 Lee Passehl
2. 199 | 92 99 100 60/14:03.81 James Newberg
3. 198 | 99 98 99 66/15:34.03 David Weir
4. 195 | 98 97 93 62/15:04.44 John Ermer
5. 193 | 97 96 96 63/15:18.43 Troy Shear
6. 193 | 95 93 98 62/15:15.65 Mike Lack
7. 191 | 93 94 97 62/15:17.07 Mike Burroughs
8. 190 | 96 91 94 62/15:32.36 Bob Seay
9. 189 | 94 95 92 59/14:29.18 Jen Barnes
10. 187 | 0 92 95 41/10:18.23 Randy Cook


good job mike...see you at the track.

[Walt]

Boy, without Howard, this thread moves along much slower... wonder if he's gotten any sleep yet?

Anyway, I purchased a motor dyno (to try to keep up with Frank). It's the Fantom dyno. But now, I'm trying to work out in my head just what makes a motor 'good.' I use 'real' dynos all the time at work with 'real' engines, but when building a race engine, usually all you look for is good power, or a good power band. Rarely is 'fuel economy' an issue in real racing (but sometimes it is).

What confuses me about the RC motor dyno tuning is that it isn't all about power. If it was, you could just get a 6 turn single and make gobs of power, but we'd never make run time with it. So, how do you tell a good motor from a bad motor? It must be some combination of good power with decent efficiency.

Obviously, it would be good any time I can increase efficiency without sacraficing power, and that's fine for adjusting a motor, but how do you go about comparing two different motors? Maybe it's not possible? Heck, if it were possible to determine what motor was the best off a dyno, then that would have been determined a long time ago and everyone would be running the same motor, which obviously isn't the case.

Any insight from you electric regulars? Unfortunately, I've got a few weeks here before I can race again (lots going on the next couple of weekends), so I've got some time on my hands to get a mod motor running well before I next take on Frank (who will be practicing all these weeks that I'm off, I'm sure).

[Nexus]

RSJ Raceway is holding another Trophy Race on Sat. 24th if anyone is interested...



2004 New Year Trophy Race
Electric On-Road Racing
Saturday, January 24, 2004

word is there will also be 12th scale guys running.

walt - if you do get feedback from people just remember you can't really compare motor #'s from one dyno to another....don't get hung up on 'amp draw' either.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
RSJ Raceway is holding another Trophy Race on Sat. 24th if anyone is interested...



2004 New Year Trophy Race
Electric On-Road Racing
Saturday, January 24, 2004

word is there will also be 12th scale guys running.

walt - if you do get feedback from people just remember you can't really compare motor #'s from one dyno to another....don't get hung up on 'amp draw' either.

Hummm... Saturday huh... I just might be able to make it next Saturday... Sunday is bad for me.

Anyone know for sure if they are running 1/12th scale, and if so, what are the 'specs'? 8 minute mod, 4-cell probably?

[Nexus]

walt.

RSJ always runs 8 mins...as for motor...i'm not sure. they ran 12th scale this weekend and i believe it was stock motors.

i'll find out and post it here for you and other guys to checkout.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
walt.

RSJ always runs 8 mins...as for motor...i'm not sure. they ran 12th scale this weekend and i believe it was stock motors.

i'll find out and post it here for you and other guys to checkout.

Thanks Nexus... I wish tracks would post their classes on their web sites. (note to self: post classes on our track's web site).

I definitely need to know if it's stock or mod, because all I've got right now is 'spec' motors.

[Walt]

Tony: check out our web site... my brother and I made some changes. There is now a 'micro' page where the NASCAR page used to be (bottom of the home page, link is on the right). Check it out and make sure it is all accurate.. www.chicagolandrc.com

[Nexus]

walt...looks like 4cell stock is what's most popular. i think one reason sites don't post classes is because sometimes they are decided the day of the races....kind of like we'll see who shows up. if you only have mods maybe i can loan you a stocker to run for the day.



either way...RSJ always has stock/rubber and stock/foam. now that the Novak Touring car race is over...alot more guys are bringing out their 12th scales.

[kakolitoy]

Any schedules for outdoor Nitro racing. I would like to race in both opening races for this season!!! I miss the smell of burning nitro!!!

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Any schedules for outdoor Nitro racing. I would like to race in both opening races for this season!!! I miss the smell of burning nitro!!!

We don't have a schedule yet. I'll make sure it is posted here when we make the decision (as well as on our web site, of course). For now, we're still trying to work out a deal for new asphalt, and that might dictate our opening day.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
walt...looks like 4cell stock is what's most popular. i think one reason sites don't post classes is because sometimes they are decided the day of the races....kind of like we'll see who shows up. if you only have mods maybe i can loan you a stocker to run for the day.



either way...RSJ always has stock/rubber and stock/foam. now that the Novak Touring car race is over...alot more guys are bringing out their 12th scales.

What I'll probably do is purchase a modified motor (since I'll need it from now on at AJ's anyways), and borrow a stock motor from you or someone on Saturday if that's what they decide to run.

[Nexus]

walt - do you only have 19T motors? just wondering.

i'd pick up both the mod and stock if you plan to start hitting other tracks. if you pick up a stocker - Monster Stock or EPIC Binary is the way to go. you might even be able to get away with running the 19T in the mod class since RSJ isn't that big.

someone posted that they will run 4cell/stock...and maybe mod if enough people are interested.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
walt - do you only have 19T motors? just wondering.

i'd pick up both the mod and stock if you plan to start hitting other tracks. if you pick up a stocker - Monster Stock or EPIC Binary is the way to go. you might even be able to get away with running the 19T in the mod class since RSJ isn't that big.

someone posted that they will run 4cell/stock...and maybe mod if enough people are interested.

Yes.. all I've run so far in 1/12th scale is 19-turn 'spec' at AJ's (the Chameleon 2). I probably could run it in a modified class, but it wouldn't be ideal, and since we're changing over to modified at AJ's, I've got to get some modified motors anyways.

I don't really plan on running a bunch of different tracks, so I'm not sure I need a stocker. I can get one at the track if I can't borrow one from someone (I assume RSJ would have some stock motors in stock).

[Euge]

you can borrow a stock motor from me too, but not sure if the 12th scale guys are tuning the motors the same for 12th scale as they are for touring car (ie spring tension, full faced versus cut brushes).

If it's a stock class, I'd go with the high rpm binary. It's legal at RSJ for the stock class.

btw, I talked to Kitt and Rutt about the summer electric scene at TP and they are interested (as am I) in doing an open mod class. Last year it was too hard getting everyone to run stock/19T w/rubber. Besides, I'm itching to run a 6-8 turn mod on foams.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Euge
you can borrow a stock motor from me too, but not sure if the 12th scale guys are tuning the motors the same for 12th scale as they are for touring car (ie spring tension, full faced versus cut brushes).

If it's a stock class, I'd go with the high rpm binary. It's legal at RSJ for the stock class.

btw, I talked to Kitt and Rutt about the summer electric scene at TP and they are interested (as am I) in doing an open mod class. Last year it was too hard getting everyone to run stock/19T w/rubber. Besides, I'm itching to run a 6-8 turn mod on foams.

Thanks for the stock motor offer... I'm sure someone will have a stocker I can borrow if I end up running stock, but I hope to be able to run mod there.

I just talked to Frank and it looks like he'll join me on Saturday running 1/12th scale (plus we can car pool... long drive from where we live to RSJ).

He also said that AJ's has gone back to running 5 minute races for 1/12th scale... that's too bad as I like the 8 minute races, but I guess they don't want to have any kind of 'battery wars' at AJ's, which isn't a bad idea either.

As for Tinley this summer, as you know, we don't get too many electric guys, so it's nice if you can all agree on what to run, but I suppose one way to make everyone fall into one class is to just run 'open'... anything goes that way, and you'll all be in one class for sure.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
We don't have a schedule yet. I'll make sure it is posted here when we make the decision (as well as on our web site, of course). For now, we're still trying to work out a deal for new asphalt, and that might dictate our opening day.

WOW!!

Delayed is ok for new Asphalt. HTOp had redone their asphlat last year. The floor was great. Tinley might be better if the asphalt will be done. Glad to hear that!!! Hopefully, more Super, 835, or 8th scale this season.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

im in the process of making a trade for the new yokomo 12th scale, the deal breaker will be when and where i can race it, cause id like to keep racing 1/8th scale offroad on sundays, and race onroad on fridays or saturdays. the other thing is, how often do you break a 12th scale, i know when i was racing touring cars i was breaking quite a bit once a week or every other week.
so what do you guys think, is the yokomo a good car, can i get parts somewhere around here, i know i can get liesure hours to order parts for me, but it would be nice to be able to get parts closer to where ill be racing.
soo what days and times and where are you guys racing at?, i woulda gone back and read some more of this thread but theres alot to read, i just read this page and noticed aj's is gonna run mod 8min, which sounds awesome

[Walt]

Originally posted by primuswoostinkinhoo
im in the process of making a trade for the new yokomo 12th scale, the deal breaker will be when and where i can race it, cause id like to keep racing 1/8th scale offroad on sundays, and race onroad on fridays or saturdays. the other thing is, how often do you break a 12th scale, i know when i was racing touring cars i was breaking quite a bit once a week or every other week.
so what do you guys think, is the yokomo a good car, can i get parts somewhere around here, i know i can get liesure hours to order parts for me, but it would be nice to be able to get parts closer to where ill be racing.
soo what days and times and where are you guys racing at?, i woulda gone back and read some more of this thread but theres alot to read, i just read this page and noticed aj's is gonna run mod 8min, which sounds awesome

You missed the update... AJ's is back to 5 minute mod for 1/12th scale... they don't want a battery war. Plus, AJ's runs on-road on Sundays, which doesn't sound good for you.

I think your only choice for Saturday on road racing is RSJ... their 1/12th turnout is an unknown at this point, but people claim it should get better now that the big 'Novak' race is over with.

As for maintenance of the 1/12th car, my experience has been that the 1/12th cars are among the most durable of all RC cars, and definitely more durable than a touring car. The only thing I've broken on my 1/12th car is the T-bar once, and then it's only $3 to fix it. I think that a lot of their durability comes from the fact that they are so light.

But, I don't know anything about the Yokomo car. I run the 12L3, and I know a lot of guys running the Trinity cars. I don't think I've even seen a Yokomo. At about $140 for a brand new 12L3 in the box, you'd have to be getting a pretty good deal on the Yokomo to bother with a car that will be hard to find parts for.

Whatever car you get, I hope you make it out to AJ's to run with me and Frank in 1/12th scale... it's a lot of fun.

[warpainter]

if the yokomo your lookin at has the ssg chassis forget it that chassis is not stiff enough it was designed for asphalt and as far as ajs running 8 min was glad to here but i new it was short lived from what i here rsj is a much better place to race anyways. exept for a hand ful of people (walt ,frank josh greg tony) the most of the guys out there are just there to play,smoke cigeretts or drink beer.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

while i have nothing against smoking ciggerettes and throwing back some cold ones, i do like racing, and if you didnt come to race first drink some brewskis second then i dunno bout ya lol.
anyways it is the ssg chassis, is it really gonna be that bad? ive never driven a 1/12 scale, would i really notice a differnce, im used to running mod 1/10 2wd buggy. and when i was racing touring car, i wasnt good, wasnt always last but close to it, i just like to race, winning aint a big deal, competeing is but winning isnt, so can that chassis compete or no?

[warpainter]

you probably wont be able to run with the couple faster guys out there at ajs there ws a guy out there last there that had one but it did not do that good, exept for a few guys in 12th most of the guys there are almost novices. and i dont know about rsj but i think there is a better caliber of racer there, i know that with the ssg yok sedan that chassis was just to much flex for carpet.its to bad yok didnt make that chassis thicker because im a big fan of yokomo

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

you think its something yokomo would be working on? making it stiffer and more competitive on carpet?

on another note, what kind of outdoor 1/12 action is there around here in the summer?(im in joliet by the way, a hop skip and a jump from liesures track, and just a hop from the hobby shop)

[Walt]

Originally posted by primuswoostinkinhoo
on another note, what kind of outdoor 1/12 action is there around here in the summer?(im in joliet by the way, a hop skip and a jump from liesures track, and just a hop from the hobby shop)

None. But if three or more 1/12th's showed up at the Tinley track, I'll run a class for them, but I doubt it will happen. I'm going to shelf my 1/12th car for the summer and go back to nitro power. Nothing against electric, but I'll have run electric all winter and want to do something different.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

ive been to the tinley track to watch racing a few times and it looked as if the track wasnt smooth enough to run 1/12, but i could be wrong.
i didnt do any racing on sundays last summer cause anyone running nitro was either at tinley running touring cars or in indiana running 1/8, so sundays at liesure didnt exist.