[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
I am not sure about this specific Sirio. PLs. give me a part number (Or the description, such as port, carb etc.) so I can tell him exactly which .15 to get. If you get one might as well get 2 more to save shipping and bank to bank tranfer fee.

I am interested in getting one of these Sirio engines as well. I couldn't find a part number though. Even on Siro's web site (non-English by the way), there don't appear to be any part numbers, just descriptions. Also, different engines are shown based on whether you choose the Italian version of the site or the English version (British?).

These are the ones I might be interested in (only one of them for now, just not sure which one... will base that on the costs, etc.):

Sirio S.15 2.5cc, 5 ports, slide Carb, AAC, SG shaft http://www.star-motor.com/motoridett...%2C5+cc&Id=154

Sirio S.15, 2.5cc, 5 ports, Slide Carb, ABC, TH shaft http://www.star-motor.com/motoridett...%2C5+cc&Id=153

Sirio S.18, 3.0cc, 8 ports, slide carb, ABC, TH shaft http://www.star-motor.com/motoridett...+++3+cc&Id=156

Sirio S.18, 3.0cc, 8 ports, slide carb, ABC, SG shaft shaft http://www.star-motor.com/motoridett...+++3+cc&Id=157

[xxx mike]

Kakolitoy:

If they are available, I'd be in for

S.15 5port
ABC
SG Crank
Slide Carb

I think those are all the options. I can live with turbo or non-turbo.. non if available would be prefered. I'm guessing walt is probably looking for the same exact thing.

(I've heard nothing good about AAC)

[xxx mike]

An 18 does seem a bit overboard. Even worse fuel economy, and proabably even less RPM capability... heavier moving parts, ect.... Biggest thing I would worry about though is fuel. It will be tight even with a 15 at tinley.

[Walt]

I couldn't find a link to a .15 ABC SG crank, but there probably is one there that I just didn't see. That would be a possibility for me too. I don't want the AAC one either.

I do like the idea of the .18's though.

[kakolitoy]

I will try my best to translate!!



Salut! Antonio,

Attente pour 2.1 Sir`io le quinze. Libre Nova`rossi NS quinze. Pour deux cent.

Merci!!

Ran out of stock, for the Sirio 2.cc 15. However, he have a Novarossi NS15 in stock. If you still insist for the Si`rio call me back in two weeks. Is there something special about this S.15? He also mentioned that Sirio did a lot of Locally in France and International wins for 2003.

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Is there something special about this S.15? He also mentioned that Sirio did a lot of Locally in France and International wins for 2003.

What's special about the Sirio is that it costs about half what the Novarossi costs. I don't doubt that the Novarossi is probably the more powerful engine (seeing as how the Novarossi .12 NS12T5 makes almost as much power as the larger .15 Sirio), but either engine makes enough power for me, so I'd like to try the cheaper Sirio to see if it will be good enough for TP this season.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
What's special about the Sirio is that it costs about half what the Novarossi costs. I don't doubt that the Novarossi is probably the more powerful engine (seeing as how the Novarossi .12 NS12T5 makes almost as much power as the larger .15 Sirio), but either engine makes enough power for me, so I'd like to try the cheaper Sirio to see if it will be good enough for TP this season.

I see!

I will call him again in 2 weeks. He said hopefully about 2nd week of March. Pls. if you found and purchased one, post it. At least I know how many I will get.

thanks

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
I see!

I will call him again in 2 weeks. He said hopefully about 2nd week of March. Pls. if you found and purchased one, post it. At least I know how many I will get.

thanks

Thanks, but is it possible for him to quote the cost now, even though he doesn't have availability yet? That way, we don't wait for another 2 weeks just to learn that they cost to much once we import them. Remember, I am pretty content just to get the threaded shaft, rotary carb version that Trinity imports... I'd rather have the SG shaft version, and I'd rather have a slide carb, and I'd rather have the .18, but not if it's going to be much more expensive.

I can't speak for Mike though... he may only want those options, and may be willing to pay a higher premium to get them.

I haven't gotten an exact quote yet on the .15 Sirio available here, but I'm thinking it's going to be right around $160 total with tax and everything. I'd probably only be willing to pay $20-$30 more to get the exact options I want.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
Thanks, but is it possible for him to quote the cost now, even though he doesn't have availability yet? That way, we don't wait for another 2 weeks just to learn that they cost to much once we import them. Remember, I am pretty content just to get the threaded shaft, rotary carb version that Trinity imports... I'd rather have the SG shaft version, and I'd rather have a slide carb, and I'd rather have the .18, but not if it's going to be much more expensive.

I can't speak for Mike though... he may only want those options, and may be willing to pay a higher premium to get them.

I haven't gotten an exact quote yet on the .15 Sirio available here, but I'm thinking it's going to be right around $160 total with tax and everything. I'd probably only be willing to pay $20-$30 more to get the exact options I want.

Walt,

Anyway,how much is the Sirio .15 in the US(slide,ABC, 5 port)? Pls. give me a site where I can show him in case he might qoute the wrong price. So far, in all of my orders this specific person were the cheapest for tires, engines, servo etc.( Except from Serpent, Novamega, and Hudy products. For some reason, Serpent made a standard price of all of their products around the world and that really sucks. European price is almost the same in the US). I saved on my stuff from shipping and racers from TP and HTOP saved as well from their engines and tires. This person was very reliable on shipping and pricing. I will ask him tommorrow because I am not sure what time is it now over there. I will try to get the quote back to you right away, so that way we are not waisting time.

thanks

[xxx mike]

Kakolitoy: check your PM!

I have seen the sirio US .15 on ebay for $150 buy it now. I haven't been into any hobby shops in a long time, but I am guessing they are probably going to be 175'ish on the LHS shelves.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Kakolitoy: check your PM!

I have seen the sirio US .15 on ebay for $150 buy it now. I haven't been into any hobby shops in a long time, but I am guessing they are probably going to be 175'ish on the LHS shelves.

Mike

you got PM. I do not have much knowledge about Sirio motors and price. I ordered 1 Sirio Collari .12 (gold head) for a costumer. At al's it was $280, I bought for $250 for everything including shipping from my source. Oh! he has stock of those .12 Sirio modified collari as well.

About 8th scale: do not pay above $600

[Walt]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
Walt,

Anyway,how much is the Sirio .15 in the US(slide,ABC, 5 port)? Pls. give me a site where I can show him in case he might qoute the wrong price...
thanks

The Sirio .15 is not available with a slide carb in the U.S. through normal retailer methods (I don't know about E-bay or other methods), that's why we're talking to you about this. The only Sirio .15 available here comes with a threaded crank and a rotary carb. It's imported by Trinity and Great Planes distributes it. Great Planes sells it direct for $169.99, but usually Al's can beat Tower prices:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXDRC0&P=7

Horizon also distributes it, and will sell it directly for $172.99:

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...od=TRIS15TUPAF

That engine would suit me fine, but I'd rather have the slide carb, SG shaft version of the .15, or maybe the slide carb, SG shaft version of their .18, but only if the prices stays close to what the .15 rotary carb, threaded shaft sells for ($170). Neither of those engines are available in the U.S. through normal retail supply chains.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Walt
The Sirio .15 is not available with a slide carb in the U.S. through normal retailer methods (I don't know about E-bay or other methods), that's why we're talking to you about this. The only Sirio .15 available here comes with a threaded crank and a rotary carb. It's imported by Trinity and Great Planes distributes it. Great Planes sells it direct for $169.99, but usually Al's can beat Tower prices:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXDRC0&P=7

Horizon also distributes it, and will sell it directly for $172.99:

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...od=TRIS15TUPAF

That engine would suit me fine, but I'd rather have the slide carb, SG shaft version of the .15, or maybe the slide carb, SG shaft version of their .18, but only if the prices stays close to what the .15 rotary carb, threaded shaft sells for ($170). Neither of those engines are available in the U.S. through normal retail supply chains.

Walt,

He cannot qoute without availabilty. The arrival of the motors will be on the last week of this month. He will not carry a standard crank, rotary carb. etc. He will carry the modified Sirio modifeid Collari .12 , .21 , and S.15 (ABC, slide, and 5 port). He said more racers demand on SG crank and slide carb for Mugen, and Kyosho consumers. Just let me know if you purchase one from somewhere.

thanks

[xxx mike]

Just to be clear, I don't want anything ordered right now either. I just want to know how much it costs and if it can be had.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Just to be clear, I don't want anything ordered right now either. I just want to know how much it costs and if it can be had.

I will not order without confirmation from the buyer!!


BTW: GO! William Hung (She bangs!!, she bangs!! represent !!).

[lou diamonds]

hey kids i have a question. its a little off the subject of motors, but stay with me. i asked about bodys and downforce before and i personally like to run my lambo body. my question is, "is there a restriction on what type of bodys you can run?"
on-road cars are "touring cars" and have a certain look. in mags i always see the BMW, BENZ, STRATUS etc. where are the sleek super car bodys?

[Walt]

Originally posted by lou diamonds
hey kids i have a question. its a little off the subject of motors, but stay with me. i asked about bodys and downforce before and i personally like to run my lambo body. my question is, "is there a restriction on what type of bodys you can run?"
on-road cars are "touring cars" and have a certain look. in mags i always see the BMW, BENZ, STRATUS etc. where are the sleek super car bodys?

Most of the races you see covered in the major RC magazines follow ROAR rules (our RC racing sanctioning body, Radio Operated Auto Racing... sort of like NASCAR for real cars). ROAR has a VERY specific list of approved bodies for touring cars. It's a short list, so you don't see much variety at the major races.

You can check out the ROAR rules and the list of ROAR approved bodies on their web site: www.roarracing.com

Around here though, we don't follow ROAR rules necessarily. At the track I run (Tinley Park), we'll probably keep the same rule as last year: any body for touring cars as long as it's not an open-cockpit, 'Lola-style' body, like the kind you'd see on a 1/8th scale car or a 1/12th car.

A lot of our better drivers will stick to the ROAR approved bodies though, because the body makes a big difference in the handling of the car, and whenever they are racing locally, they are practicing for the next 'big' race where ROAR rules will be enforced.

In case you're currious, there are only 17 ROAR approved touring car bodies right now. Four of those are 'Stratus' bodies (from different manufacturers), another four are Alfa Romeo's, so that's about half the approved body list right there... two cars.

[Nexus]

Originally posted by lou diamonds
hey kids i have a question. its a little off the subject of motors, but stay with me. i asked about bodys and downforce before and i personally like to run my lambo body. my question is, "is there a restriction on what type of bodys you can run?"
on-road cars are "touring cars" and have a certain look. in mags i always see the BMW, BENZ, STRATUS etc. where are the sleek super car bodys?

walt is correct.......those other 'sleek super car bodies' look nice but as you get better you do start to notice that only certain bodies will give you the proper balance, downforce, and steering. plus like walt mentioned...if you plan to hit any major races or a track that follows ROAR rules it better just to run one of the allowed bodies.

this is what most are running:

Protoform Stratus 1.0 and 2.0
Protoform Alfa 2.0
Protoform Mazda 6
Parma Alfa
Losi Skoda

All of these bodies work very well and have different handling characteristics.

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brian from chicago r/c club - great to see you out at RSJ running TC. shoot me an email if you want a nice rubber tire set-up for that track. the springs you have on are way to stiff...those purples are what foam guys run.....let me know....you car looked pretty good other then that rear end sliding out.

[Walt]

Originally posted by Nexus
this is what most are running:

Protoform Stratus 1.0 and 2.0
Protoform Alfa 2.0
Protoform Mazda 6
Parma Alfa
Losi Skoda

All of these bodies work very well and have different handling characteristics.

I think this guy said he's going to run Nitro... those are electric TC bodies. Protoform has one legal Nitro Stratus (#1433) and a legal Alfa (#1442). They don't have a legal Mazda 6 for nitro TC. The only legal Losi body for nitro TC is their Alfa body (#LOSA8080), but that one's approval is set to expire in July of this year. Parma has no legal nitro TC bodies.

I think that ROAR rules require that legal bodies meet some sort of 'scale realism' requirement or something. Nitro touring cars are wider than electric TC's (200mm verses 190mm... don't ask me why... I think it's so they can sell more stuff). It seems like there are fewer 'real' cars that match the dimensions of the wider nitro touring cars... either that or there is just some marketing forces at work here, but that would seem odd to me, as I think that nitro touring cars are equally as popular as electrics at this point. Something has to explain why there are only 17 legal nitro touring car bodies, but over 40 legal electric touring car bodies.

[Walt]

A few weeks ago Brian (of Chicago R/C) organized a go-kart racing event that was a lot of fun. His was an 11-team, 3 person per team, 1 hour enduro... great, but a lot of effort to organize.

Myself and the 2 guys I was running with want to try this again, but I'm not about to try to organize something like Brian did, so here's our plan. We just picked a Sunday morning to meet at the go-kart track, and if any of our friends or family or co-workers want to join us, that's great. If not, we'll just race with the other 'normal' people (people that we don't know) that happen to show up that morning.

I'm thinking though that if we have a group of at least 10 guys, we can race together and maybe negotiate a longer than normal race for ourselves, if we want to... normal races are 20 laps, but if we have a 'full field' that all want to run for 40 laps, we can probably just pay for two 20 lap races and they'd let us run 'back to back'... I'm not sure about that, but it makes sense. If they didn't let us do that, no big deal... we'd just run our 20 lap race, then sit out for another group's 20 lap race, and then run another one.

So, we're going to meet up at the Chicago Indoor Racing go-kart track on Sunday, March 21st when they open (10am). If any of you guys have been wanting to try this out, that might be a good day to do it because you can race with a group of friends. No pre-registration or confirmation is required... I'm just letting you know that we'll be there, in case you'd like to join us.

The track's web site is: www.chicagoindoorracing.com

See you there.

[Nexus]

walt not sure if they are officially approved but protoform does make several nice race bodies for nitro's...200mm that meet roar specs.


MG ZS
Mazda6
Alfa Romeo 2.1
Stratus

Do they have to be listed in a roar page or just meet their specs...if so the above 4 meet roar specs.

see you guys at AJs in a couple weeks!

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Walt
I think this guy said he's going to run Nitro... those are electric TC bodies. Protoform has one legal Nitro Stratus (#1433) and a legal Alfa (#1442). They don't have a legal Mazda 6 for nitro TC. The only legal Losi body for nitro TC is their Alfa body (#LOSA8080), but that one's approval is set to expire in July of this year. Parma has no legal nitro TC bodies.

Protoform Mazda 6 is LEGAL under ROAR..........because there are quite a lot of MAZDA 6 at the most recent WINTER NATIONAL......most of the ppl using the MAZDA 6 are those who running S710. ROAR website probably haven't update for a little while.

Electric TC are 10mm narrower compare to NITRO is because (I think) most elect track are in-door, smaller and narrower....if each TC are narrower, it will fit more car in 1 track.

But I bet the main reason is......they can make more money by selling 2 different set of bodies of the same kind.

[Walt]

I was just going off the ROAR website. I do know that bodies must be approved, not just meet certain specs.

And I'm with Rookie... I think they made the cars slightly different width just to make more money.

[xxx mike]

Anyone know what ever happened to Tony? I don't see him posting anymore. Does he still work at Al's?

[Walt]

Originally posted by xxx mike
Anyone know what ever happened to Tony? I don't see him posting anymore. Does he still work at Al's?

He doesn't post much anymore, but I think he still reads this forum often (he sometimes mentions things that are going on in this forum when I see him on Sunday to race). He still runs the Wednesday night micro races, and he's planning on running our off road track this summer.

He does not still work at Al's, but he goes in there a lot and sometimes when he's in there, if they are busy, they'll ask him to go behind the counter to help out a little, so it's almost like he still works there.