Brushless Motor Forum v1.0 - Page 24

#**576** 10-01-2002, 07:52 AM

$250 for the system? Please, mine was $380

crono man · #**577** 10-01-2002, 11:59 AM

hk-en-do you think the hacker car controller would fit in a rc12l3 with 6cells?

thanks

crono man · #**578** 10-01-2002, 01:57 PM

hey guys check out trinity website there is a interseting interview ernest provetti(trinity prez)..he talks about the forthcoming brushless era and what his position on the subject is..(he wants to become ROAR president)

SandManRacing · #**579** 10-01-2002, 05:59 PM

The Hacker C40-S and Hacker Master Car controller is a great setup.

If you want to take a look at the controller manual, just go on my website and click on the link

http://rccars.ca.tc

Or you can view it directly here:

Hacker Master Car Controller

The manual is in PDF format and is in English.

Bye

k_sw31 · #**580** 10-01-2002, 07:30 PM

soya, they're making us look bad...

k_sw31 · #**581** 10-01-2002, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timmy

k_sw31: How the truck and the BL running. Asking for an update of how the lehner is holdin up. Good luck with it. I gota go to school.

Everything is working well, i am currently running 16/87 gearing with gladiator tires, works great!

I figured out why my t3 wasn't wheelieing that easily, my front suspention was fully dropped, duh!

hk-en- · #**582** 10-01-2002, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crono man
hk-en-do you think the hacker car controller would fit in a rc12l3 with 6cells?

thanks

The controller would be hanging off the side of the chassis.
its a little bulky.

crono man · #**583** 10-01-2002, 09:50 PM

anybody has a idea if someone makes a controller small enough for 1/12 scale?
i looked at the lehner pico series..but is 40amps enough with 6cells and 5300motor?

k_sw31 · #**584** 10-01-2002, 10:32 PM

no, the 5300 pulls 65 amps my friend.

vladivad · #**585** 10-01-2002, 10:34 PM

Tim- Yeah the first month I had the aveox in my tc3 it ran very quick with 7 cells but with cogging and glitched if I was like 50 feet away from it. I drive against a tamiya trf4142 that has a 9turn and I would say my car is about 25% faster and my battery lasts approx 18-23min. vs. his 10 min. I run the stock spur with a 25 tooth pinion with 3000cells. The shaft is an IRS I bought two months ago for like $25 but last week I saw the exact shaft with an associated package for $10. The rest of the car is factory stock. The japanese version came with a front one way and wheels with tires. I have a lead finger and drive my car as if it was stolen and so far had only the front shock tower break. I have had epic crashes with my car. I think for like 1 month sraight, everyday, it cartwheeled 10 to 15 feet. I experimented with bodies and I would have to say that the rear wing is VERY important. That picture is kind of old. My car is maybe 30% more aluminum now. I did a little reading and I would have to say that the aveox rc7 is about 7 or 8 years old now which is a relic in my eyes. It also has no flat on the shaft which makes no sense. I think the c40 hacker series would be best for the tc3. First, the 3 out wires point up and not straight out which is actually very important if you want the electronics to fit in the car. Second, the hacker controller has a case with heat sink, the aveox has shrink wrap and is open on both ends where all the gunk gets in. I was rather disappointed with its quality and the entire system is huge with wires everywhere. Looks very prone to breaking. Anyway which ever system you choose try to get a controller with some kind of case and a motor with a flat on the shaft. If you have any questions feel free. I don`t want to see you waste your money like I did. Now that I think about it, I am on my second round to finding the best bl setup which I should be able to complete this month. Later

crono man · #**586** 10-01-2002, 10:36 PM

crap..now im going to have to wait for the noval bl system(the dimension are small enough) or buy a small brushed esc(lrp quantum)

rawbert · #**587** 10-01-2002, 10:37 PM

Did you ever fix the glitching of the aveox? I put in my other AM 75MHZ XR2 radio, and I can drive it pretty far away now, but if it was on the track it wouldn't do, because if I go 50' away it will glitch like it did, so it would glitch on the track. I'm thinking if I go to a FM or PCM radio, the range would be greater, and it would work.

#**588** 10-01-2002, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by k_sw31
Soya, they're making us look bad...

What do you mean?

WhoKnowsWho · #**589** 10-01-2002, 11:21 PM

Well, anybody who doesn't like cogging with the budget Lehner warrior controller/basic motor combination will have to put in a receiver pack. I finally got the BEC disabled correctly and in my XXX, and it ran great. No cogging that I could tell at all. And eventhough I extended the motor wires a bit, no glitching problems.

I see another brushless motor coming very soon...

I have to figure out a better mounting method for my touring car too. The way I had the controller mounted, it really shortened the radio range. These things 'cause a good bit of interference. So right next to the antenna and above the receiver is not recommended!

k_sw31 · #**590** 10-02-2002, 12:29 AM

waut a sec, i'm supposed to disable the bec in my warrior? whoops, i just plugged a reciver pack into my reciever and it worked, at least i hope, what are you supposed to do?

Quote:

These things 'cause a good bit of interference

Not sure what your talking about there, since you dont have anything rubbing together, (brushes and comm) theres less electrical noise, at least, thats what i've heard.

Soya, these guys actually have nice looking, clean chassis, plus they're setups seem nicer, atleast it think, whats happenig to the way of a slob, wait a sec, maybe i'm just living in a corner, ahhhhhhhhhhhh! i'm confused myself so i'm gonna stop typeing now.

WhoKnowsWho · #**591** 10-02-2002, 02:06 AM

Well, common sense would say to disable the already present supply of energy to the receiver if an external pack is to be used. That's why the black jumper is there to switch it on and off. And also why the instructions mention the jumper and the BEC 12 cell limit.

Black Jumper you can switch off or on BEC.
Jumper off - BEC is off Jumper on - BEC is on.
BEC only guaranteed up to 12 Cells

I know if I was running a normal BEC speed control, I would disable the BEC before hooking up a pack.

I guess some receivers/servos can take 9+ volts, I doubt the controller automatically disables BEC, it doesn't even auto-program!

I remember reading a couple things that the wires themselves 'cause interference. That's why the instructions for the Lehner motor say to keep the wires under 4". And I had those wires right next to the antenna on the 4-Tec so my range was poop.

I think my XXX is setup pretty well considering how quickly I did it! It's a lot better than the Zip Tie mess the 4-Tec was. This time, I only used one for the experimental RX pack.

And here's a comment from maximizer products:
"Do I need a receiver pack with my BEC controller? Not necessarily but it is a good idea. A small receiver pack (500-1000mAh) helps to alleviate "cogging" problems if they occur, especially towards the end of the run when your battery packs get weaker and the voltage drops.
You should use a receiver pack if you use more than 12 cells since BEC function tends to get less reliable.
The receiver pack is a good idea with motors with high rpm/Volt value and few cells (the Basic 5300 for example.) In that setup the voltage can drop to too low an amount quickly due to high drain by the motor at startup and cogging can occur."

edit: This response sure did jump around with random stuff, sorry about that! And try it without the black jumper, see how it works.

vladivad · #**592** 10-02-2002, 02:06 AM

HK-EN- What speed controller did you get from Hacker? Is it the Master car sport? This is the newest controller from them and the release date is suppose to be Nov.1. It is suppose to be the smoothest one yet. If that is the one, please tell me where you got it. Thanks

hk-en- · #**593** 10-02-2002, 03:05 AM

Yes that the controller i got.
I got mine from http://www.icare-rc.com/.
It really is smooth and cogging is not a problem.

Timmy · #**594** 10-02-2002, 06:43 AM

valdidad - Thanks for all the info you wrote. Now of course I got more questions. I saw something in there about the hacker system was good to get into the TC3. Can you give me the name of the motor and controller you were thinking of. Also is www.rumrunnerhobbies.com where to get it from or is there another place. I assume you wana get the hacker system too. That sucks that the Aveox system glictches and clogs like crazy. Does anyone here have the hacker system yet. Man there is alot of choices out there for BL. I am also wanting to see what the Novak system is like. The one I like the Competion I belive is said to have 51,000rpm with 6 cells. Not to metion it is sensored unlike the other hacker and lehner ones I belive. Well thanks again. If you have time try IM at Tapviper. I'd be happy to talk to you.

SandManRacing · #**595** 10-02-2002, 03:54 PM

I have the Hacker setup and have no problem at all.

The Novak kit won't be the best. Low power (ferrite magnets) and sensored (allows less RPM). The new generation of brushless controllers are now sensorless.

I will post some data, pictures and movies soon.

Bye,

SandManRacing · #**596** 10-02-2002, 04:07 PM

Novak Kit:
SUPER SPORT MOTOR

KV = 3600 RPM/V
Ferrite magnets
Sensored
First motor ever
Not available yet !

SUPER SPORT SPEED CONTROL

4-7 cell input voltage with forward and brake operation
Small
One-Touch Set-Up
Not available yet !

Hacker Kit:

Hacker C40-8S

KV = 5250 RPM/V
Neodyne magnets
Sensorless
Have a heatsink
Great motor selection

Hacker Master Car Controler

6-12 cell input voltage
Can set timing, frequency and Current Limiter
Have a heatsink
Forward/Brake or Forward/Brake/Reverse
Auto detect transmitter settings
...

Make your choice ! I made mine

Bye

crono man · #**597** 10-02-2002, 05:40 PM

sandmanracing-i just talked to the french dude at icare(seems real nice) i think im going to get the hacker car controller..just have some few questions for you.

1.is the controller smooth enough for racing(is the cogging really noticable) for the short time you had it how would you rate the controller?

2.i will be using it with a lehner or orion sensorles bl motors do you think its compatible?

3.if im using 6cells what is the highest amp draw motor i can use?

4. the guy at icare told me that their will be another version of this controller which can take higher amps draw have you heard anything about that?

5.finally the most important is icare a good shop do deal with?

im sorry for all the questions its because im really close to ordering a controller for me and my friend and at that price i want to make sure that i dont make a mistake

thanks again for your reply

SandManRacing · #**598** 10-02-2002, 07:01 PM

I bought it at ICARE myself last week. The guy is really nice. Gave a lot of informations.

The controller is compatible with any brushless motor. Look at the manual. You can set it to want to want.

The controller is really smooth. I race too and I think it will blast the others !

I think the controller is better with t least 7 cells. But it can run great on 6 cell anyway. The reason I am saying that is if the voltage go below 5.3v or 0.7v/cell it will stop or cog. Since 6 x 0.7 = 4.2v You will loose some runtime by using 6 cells because it will stop at 5.3v anyway...

I will do some test in a moment for the runtimes. Wait for the results

I'm using an Hacker C40-8S and the controller don't get more than a little warm at 9 cells. I don't think low turn motor is a problem with this controller. It can handle 66 AMP continuous.

Bye !

crono man · #**599** 10-02-2002, 07:08 PM

thank you very much sandman for anwsering all my questions i think i just found my controller

thanks again

SandManRacing · #**600** 10-02-2002, 07:29 PM

You will want it much more after this Crono Man

I just triyer it with 10 Cells !!!

Amazing. Must go over 90 KM/H or about 55 MPH

The run time... 10 min... yes 10 min !!!
I was playing in the street. VERY good acceleration. Had to tight my clutch. The truck is faster than my Mirage Vspec with a .21 Picco engine

No cogging at all. Very good control. Start immediatly when you hit the throttle. I love this kit

My pack was made of 1500mha and 2000 mha. So a whole 2400mha should be even better ! The speed started to decrease after about 7 or 8 min. This is because of the 1500s I guest.

I will now try a 6 cell 2400mha pack. If the rain stops

Bye !

I forgot... The temp of the motor and controller was about 110 F after the run. This is just warm to the touch.