Brushless Motor Forum v1.0 - Page 27

k_sw31 · #**651** 10-06-2002, 12:07 PM

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Black jumper to disable bec, don't hook a receiver pack and leave that jumper on!

whoops.

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The orange jumper is for programming, remove, plug in battery and have the radio on. Beep for neutral, then full throttle on the radio, beep, then full reverse and a double beep. I think putting it back on neutral disables reverse if you do that instead of full reverse before the double beep.

Thanks for that, i read somewhere on another board that this guy programmed his warrior, and it was as smooth as a brushed wsc, with out the reciever pack, but i was wondering how to do it.

Whadl, 4 cells for a reciever pack is fine.

Whoknowswho, where do you get the instructions?

k_sw31 · #**652** 10-06-2002, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Soya
BOO!

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i am planning to run 10 cell max into it for my 5300 motor (to bring it within 2000 RPM of its design limit. hehe

Well, actually ten cells would go way over the rpm limit it htink,

1.2x10= 12vtimes5300= about 63000 rpms, if i'm correct, they top out at 50000 r's.

WhoKnowsWho · #**653** 10-06-2002, 12:33 PM

Hmm... running a 4200 with 12 cells is over 60000 RPMs...
The rum runner site says they operate up to 65000 rpms. I would just watch the temp on the motor and controller really well, and not overgear it. When running stuff near the max, it probably doesn't take much to make it go pop.

There is a download link for both the motor and the Warrior controller. And the same programming instructions.

http://www.rumrunnerhobbies.com/PowerSolutions.htm

It also says this on the site:
"Controller Info:

It is Recommended that you NOT use BEC on any car with high torque servo's. They pull too many amps and will overheat the controller!"

The normal receiver pack voltage is 6V, you can run 4.8 but with reduced servo strength and speed, and probably reduced range. If you use alkalines, use the 4 cell holder, which can get expensive. So far, Rechargable Rayovacs have worked for me. Even better is to get a NiMH 5 cell receiver pack like the ones for Nitro cars.

k_sw31 · #**654** 10-06-2002, 12:37 PM

THANK YOU!!!

krisI.925 · #**655** 10-06-2002, 12:43 PM

im gonna be racing with 2 6 cell packs in series. What batts do you guys suggest i should use. I want something of desent quality but not to expensive. I was thinking along the lines of those 2400s at ballisticbatteries.com where you can get a pair for 65 bux. Do you think those would work well?

#**656** 10-06-2002, 02:06 PM

My Integy put out INSANE voltage, about $37 unassembled for 6 cells. It was about 9 volts freshly charged

k_sw31 · #**657** 10-06-2002, 02:20 PM

question,

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The orange jumper is for programming, remove, plug in battery and have the radio on. Beep for neutral, then full throttle on the radio, beep, then full reverse and a double beep. I think putting it back on neutral disables reverse if you do that instead of full reverse before the double beep.

Well, it only works when i go, neutral, beep, reverse, beep, forward, double beep. I'm not sure if it works proberly, waiting for batt to charge.

RCmaniac324 · #**658** 10-06-2002, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by WhoKnowsWho
Hmm... running a 4200 with 12 cells is over 60000 RPMs...
The rum runner site says they operate up to 65000 rpms. I would just watch the temp on the motor and controller really well, and not overgear it. When running stuff near the max, it probably doesn't take much to make it go pop.

I know the maximum possible RPM (by voltage) would be within 2000 RPM of the limit, but i just thought of someting. with a 2WD truck with 5" tires, 10 cells, and the motor system all jammed in/onto it, it would probably not top 61,000RPM with all the weight it would have to b trying to push at high speeds (im aimin for 60.

hehe). am i correct, or are these motors really that powerful to reach the maximum RPM allowed by voltage that easily(unlike brushed motors which are all that ive run so far)?

sLiTcH · #**659** 10-06-2002, 08:34 PM

can anyone build me a good combo ( ESC and motor) of brushless I can order on the net and give me the adress I'm running it in XXX-S a direct fit would be best

WhoKnowsWho · #**660** 10-06-2002, 09:24 PM

k_sw31: Try switching the servo reverse switch for the throttle channel. If that doesn't do it, you might need to increase the amount of travel that the throttle trigger has to move for full throttle. If the controller doesn't detect enough movement, it will not beep.

RCmaniac324: I am not sure... I can't venture an answer for that one... I don't even know for sure what happens when you pass that 65000 RPM limit. Either the controller will fry because of the juice it has to pump. Or the magnets will fly off and the motor will be dead.

k_sw31 · #**661** 10-06-2002, 10:30 PM

well, i tried that too, and it said it programmed successfully, but, it only had about 15,000 rpms,

I'm thinking the controller is fried because i got my reciever to work in my gt.

MarNaDaKi · #**662** 10-07-2002, 03:35 PM

Well, after reading all brushless forums I could find for the last 2 months, I finnaly did it.

I ordered a kit !!!!

From www.icare-rc.com

Hacker C40 7s
and Master Car Sport controller

Slitch : I was hunting for a mild kit to install in a touring car on 6 cells just like you. Before I made my final decision, I had 3 kit in mind. The one I ordered, Aveox RC7/L160RC and Lehner Basic 4200 or 5300/Warrior 7018. They all have their pro's and con's.

crono man · #**663** 10-07-2002, 04:15 PM

the hacker car controller is looking pretty sweet i know that its rated at 66amps..my questions are

can it handle a lehner 5300 basic series?
what is the lowest turn motor it can handle?

#**664** 10-07-2002, 04:33 PM

No offense Crono, but you've been asking questions for quite a while. Aren't you ever going to get one?

MarNaDaKi · #**665** 10-07-2002, 05:23 PM

Crono Man

You should phone Icare. They speak french and are from Boucherville near Montreal. The best thing is that they are the North American (or they say so) distributor for Hacker. So for once, us Canadian people, can get d@mn good deal on their kit. I paid only 460$ Can for this kit. Have a look elsewhere for this kit in american $$$ and you will see... Could not pass on this deal...

crono man · #**666** 10-07-2002, 05:36 PM

soya--yea ive been reluctant to get a bl setup but you have to understand that ill be racing with this setup and i need something reallly smooth with only 6cells if you read the posts youll notice thats no easy task(current bl setups are geared more toward big speed 7cells+setup like yours)im going to have to use receiver packs or go sensored..

marnadki--thanks for the info

k_sw31 · #**667** 10-07-2002, 06:59 PM

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can it handle a lehner 5300 basic series?

Should be able to, since the lehner pulls about 65 amps, and theres probably a saftey factor of 5-10 amps you'd think so, i think it would be fine.

MarNaDaKi · #**668** 10-07-2002, 06:59 PM

crono man

I too was looking for smoothness with 6 cells. I choose Hacker Master Car Sport controller because cogging seems to be much less an issue than with the Warrior 7018 when setup without receiver pack. For sure, I will let you know my first experience with this setup as soon as I have enough riding time, so I am not going to talk through my hat.

At first, I was interested in the sensored Aveox for its smoothness. But after having read all over the web about it, I cancelled this option for several reasons.

rawbert · #**669** 10-07-2002, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by crono man
soya--yea ive been reluctant to get a bl setup but you have to understand that ill be racing with this setup and i need something reallly smooth with only 6cells if you read the posts youll notice thats no easy task(current bl setups are geared more toward big speed 7cells+setup like yours)im going to have to use receiver packs or go sensored..

marnadki--thanks for the info

Aveox RC7 / L160RC Setup

I've been running it in my 2wd truck for off-road with 6 cells, it has PLENTY of power!! Fast.

k_sw31 · #**670** 10-07-2002, 07:24 PM

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Well, i'm pretty sure my controller or something is Fried! Its not my reciever so it must be my motor or controller. I'm pretty sure its my controller because part of the heatshrink was melted off

Its like the motor can only get to 10,000 rpms. Although i did program it successfully, it still does the same thing.

I can't get a hold of fine design or rum runners, So i'm wondering how i can get it replaced. anyone no what to do?

crono man · #**671** 10-07-2002, 07:34 PM

marnadki--VERY interseted in hearing your results with 6cells

theres also sandmanracing from trois-riviere on this forum that got the hacker controller(from icare) and seems very satisfied..

vladivad · #**672** 10-07-2002, 08:50 PM

marnadaki- I also just ordered my hacker c40-6s with master sport controller yesterday. This will be replacing my spazzing aveox system. To make sure I get everything under control I also just bought an airtronics m8 fm transmitter. I too will post my experience with the system. Have fun!!

MarNaDaKi · #**673** 10-07-2002, 09:12 PM

Vladivad

An M8 at the same time

What an hole in the wallet ?

Let me guess. You are ordering an M8 because your Aveox was glitching like crazy and it pisses you off.

vladivad · #**674** 10-07-2002, 09:52 PM

marnadaki- you got that right. Actually I want to have just one transmitter for all of my cars. By the way what kind of car are you putting the hacker in?

crono man · #**675** 10-07-2002, 10:00 PM

-hk-en-i understand that you have a hacker car controller with a hacker 6s motor..

could you please tell me if youre having thermaling problems?

is the controller getting very hot?

what is the gearing?

runtime?

and which cells are you using?

thanks alot