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Old 10-13-2004, 06:12 PM
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2.4 GHz Spread Spectrum Module from Spektrum









Spektrum Overview
• Spektrum is a newly developed Horizon Hobby proprietary brand that is dedicated to the development of highly-advanced RC electronics that are light-years ahead of anything else.

• Spektrum's first release is the DSM (Digital Spectrum Modulation) System.

• The DSM system is based on combining several forms of Spread Spectrum technology to achieve an optimized system for R/C car use.

• The DSM system includes a DSM Module and transceiver that replaces the module and receiver in most popular 3-channel module-based surfaces transmitters.

• No crystals or complex modifications are necessary. Racers simply plug the DSM module into their Tx and install the .4 oz transceiver in their car. After installation all that’s required is a few seconds of setup to “bind” the transceiver to the module.

• Compatible radios include:
 Airtronics- M-8
 JR- R1
 Futaba- 3PK
 HiTec- Aggressor CRX
 KO- Helios

• Built into the DSM system is the ability for the transceiver to send data back to the user via the same digital RF link used to control the car. Shortly telemetry modules will be available that plug into the DSM transceiver and give racers real time monitoring of engine temperature, speed, rpm, signal strength, battery condition, lap times and more. The data can be view on a hand held unit or uploaded to a PC. More modules will be added in the future that offer even more telemetry options.



Introduction
Spektrum's DSM system offers the ultimate in radio link security. No longer do you have to worry about transmitters being turned-on on your frequency, waiting for the frequency clip to practice or interference caused from noisy motors, speed controllers or other interfering sources. The DSM system utilizes Digital Spread Spectrum Modulation technology to provide an almost impenetrable digital RF link between the racer and their car.

The DSM System operates in the 2.4GHz band (that's 2400MHz). This high frequency is well out of the range of virtually all model-generated (motor and ESC noise) and conventional radio interference. All the usual glitches that plague 27 and 75mhz radios are simply eliminated with the DSM System. In addition, each DSM module is factory programmed with it's own unique GUID (Global Unique Identifier). Once a DSM transceiver is “bound” to a specific DSM module it will only recognize signals from that module. With over 4 billion possible GUID codes, it's virtually impossible for a DSM transceiver to mistake another signal source for its DSM module.

DSM uses Direct Sequencing Spread Spectrum modulation to generate a wide signal on a single frequency. The FCC requires that these systems incorporate “collision avoidance” technology. When the DSM System is switched on, it will scan the 79 channels available to it for a free one. When it finds one, the DSM transceiver, which “listens” for the modules distinct GUID, will lock on to it. In the unlikely event that the DSM channel spectrum is full, the 80th system will not connect or cause any interference, going into “hold scan” until a channel is free.

Summary of Benefits
• The Spektrum DSM System provides an impenetrable digital RF link between a racer and their car that is impervious to all types of interference including other radio systems, model generated interference or environmental interference from pagers, cell phones, etc.

• Collision Avoidance- The DSM system scans the 2.4Ghz band looking for an open channel. When an unused channel is found the system locks on that channel and transmits providing the following benefits:
 No more waiting for an open frequency
 No need to impound the radio
 Eliminates the need for a frequency board and frequency clips
 Interference for other radios is a thing of the past
 No crystals are needed

• 2.4ghz worldwide band is approved for international use. No need to change frequencies when traveling abroad

• Built-in failsafe drives the servos to a preset position (usually full brakes) in the unlikely event of radio interference

• The DSM system literally plugs into popular module based 3-channel transmitters allowing most racers to convert to DSM technology right away.

• Short 8" receiver antenna is easy to mount

• The soon-to-be-released DSM telemetry module will allow real time monitoring of head temperature, rpm, speed, battery voltage, lap time, etc.

• No maintenance or tuning required (always stays in tune)

• Up to 79 users can simultaneously operate DSM systems

Spektrum Website
http://www.spektrumrc.com/

DSM System Specifications
• Frequency Band 2.400-2.4835 GHz
• Channels 79
• Channel Spacing 1 MHz
• DSSS Coding Gain 18 dB
• Bitrate 15.626 kbps
• Range 3000 ft
• Latency 7.4 Ms
• Resolution/Channel 4096 steps

DSM Transceiver Specifications
• Weight .40 oz/11.3g
• Dimensions (LxWxH) 1.62x1.06x.57in (41.2x27.0x15.3mm)
• Input Voltage 3.2 – 9.6V
• Sensitivity -98 dBm BER 1E-3
• RC Channels 3
• Current 40 mA @ 4.8V
• Antenna length 8.5 in

Frequently asked questions

Q: What is DSM?
A: DSM or Digital Spectrum Modulation is a form of digital spread spectrum modulation that had been developed and optimized for R/C use.

Q: What channel will I be on?
A: The DSM system scans the 2.4GHz band and finds a channel that is not being used. Once an open channel is found the transmitter begins transmitting on that unused channel. The DSM System has an available spectrum of 79 channels. In the unlikely event that the spectrum is full, the 80th system will not connect or cause any interference, going into “hold scan” until a channel is free.

Q: Won't other 2.4Ghz devices like phones and wireless computers cause interference?
A: No, the FCC requires that all 2.4Ghz DSS devises be "smart"- incorporating collision avoidance such that when any DSS system is turned on, it scans the 2.4GHz band until a channel that is not being used is found then begins transmitting on that unused channel.

Q: What is the range?
A: Typical range is about 3000ft. depending on conditions.

Q: I understand that Spread Spectrum has a slow response time.
A: Spectrum's DSM system is optimized to give the fastest possible response time of 5.6ms. Typical FM systems offer a response time of 12 to 18ms.

Q: Will the DSM system affect or be affected by other transmitters on 27 or 75mhz or lap counting systems?
A: No. The DSM system operates in the 2.4Ghz ISM band and is well above the range of any equipment including lap-counting systems presently in use.

Q: What type of telemetry will be available?
A: The first optional telemetry module will include the ability to monitor Real-time engine temperature, engine rpm, speed in mph or kph, battery voltage, signal strength and individual lap times. We hope have this telemetry module available in early spring.

Q: So I can just turn on my radio any time with out worry of getting or causing interference?
A: Exactly!

Spektrum is exclusively distributed by:
Horizon Hobby, Inc.
4105 Fieldstone Rd.
Champaign, IL 61822
217-352-1913
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Old 10-13-2004, 06:35 PM
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Since this is on 2.4ghz, can you ask them if there is a posibility that it can get interference from wireless network cards in a laptop, pc or a wireless router? Thanks
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Old 10-13-2004, 06:43 PM
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jmo- i heard you can now drive your car from your PC, LOL

Any idea on pricing?
I guess this solves my problem of not having a sythesized module for my Helios.
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Old 10-13-2004, 07:35 PM
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Since this is on 2.4ghz, can you ask them if there is a posibility that it can get interference from wireless network cards in a laptop, pc or a wireless router? Thanks

Q: Won't other 2.4Ghz devices like phones and wireless computers cause interference?
A: No, the FCC requires that all 2.4Ghz DSS devises be "smart"- incorporating collision avoidance such that when any DSS system is turned on, it scans the 2.4GHz band until a channel that is not being used is found then begins transmitting on that unused channel.



Anyways...

The antenna would look real funny when the module is mounted on a 3PK...

Is there any other place to mount the antenna?

Also, what is the response time for HRS?
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Old 10-13-2004, 07:43 PM
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Can you have one module in the transmitter, and use it with multiple RC models each with their own transceivers? Radios like the M8 obviously allow programming of settings for multiple models in the radio. Can I get multiple transceivers for each car and program them all with one "common" GUID so the transmitter module will recognize any of them when they're powered on? If you have to change the transmitter module for each car, it cuts down immensly on the practicality of the system. I suspect the transmitter modules won't be dirt cheap.

Still, the idea of building a module to bolt onto existing radios is brilliant, rather than the Nomadio approach of having to buy the entire radio. I love my M8 - adding this technology is terrific.

I also think the decision to price the telemetry options seperately, and not have it drive up the cost of the module and transceivers if you don't want telemetry is a great plus over the way Nomadio intends to bundle their product.

Ditto on the previous questions on pricing and availability.
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Old 10-13-2004, 11:11 PM
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Q: Won't other 2.4Ghz devices like phones and wireless computers cause interference?
A: No, the FCC requires that all 2.4Ghz DSS devises be "smart"- incorporating collision avoidance such that when any DSS system is turned on, it scans the 2.4GHz band until a channel that is not being used is found then begins transmitting on that unused channel.



Anyways...

The antenna would look real funny when the module is mounted on a 3PK...

Is there any other place to mount the antenna?

Also, what is the response time for HRS?
That's what I would think too but I had to buy a 5.8ghz cordless phone for my house because my 2.4 would interfere with my wireless network.
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Old 10-13-2004, 11:20 PM
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I guess this solves my problem of not having a sythesized module for my Helios.
i SO agree. my m8 is getting kind of 'worn in' after 5 years, and it kills me at the idea of spending a few hundred to buy something i already have. i tried a helios and loved it, but wouldn't make the switch to it due to the lack of a synth option.

the web site doesn't look to be up. building on what gary said, pricing on replacement transceivers would be useful also (got a lot of vehicles to buy this for). finally, will we have to order the transceivers direct from the factory, or will there be some kind of programmer made available for the guid.

thx in advance.
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Old 10-14-2004, 06:23 AM
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I will definitely be buying this once it's available! woohoo! Finally some modern componentry in RC (look how long it's taken to get USB connections in a charger/radio, etc.).
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:04 AM
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Man I hope you can program more than one transceiver. I got 5 cars and I would love to have this for my M8. Im guessing that street price will be more than a Synthesized setup.
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Old 10-14-2004, 08:25 AM
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Hmmm...first off, I don't trust a company who's website just says "Test". Next, given the encoding, I think it unlikely that this setup would receive interference. However, I do think it would cause a good bit of interference with other items, such as wireless networks and possibly phones.

It is an interesting idea, and granted the use of 2.4 GHz would give a bit better range, I doubt seriously they could get 3000 feet out of it in a major metropolitan area. In large cities such as NY, Chicago, Dallas, etc, the 2.4 GHz band is cluttered like you wouldn't believe. Although this cluttering may not cause interference, it would at some point cause signal degradation and limit its range. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:51 AM
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Imagine th possiblilties here.....hey man your car looks great can I drive...or wait lets just synch up and I can use my radio.......too cool.....but lets see the price tag along with it. Notice no suggested street price.....that would be nice to see.
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:55 AM
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I found this on their site....

ETAs and Pricing
Airtronics Early January
Ko Propo January
JR Late January
Futaba/Hitec February

3-Channel Surface System (include transmitter module & receiver) - $159.99
Additional 3-Channel receivers - $79.99
Spektrum Item Listing
SPM1001 DSM 3CH Surface System: JR R-1
SPM1002 DSM 3CH Surface System: Airtronics M8
SPM1003 DSM 3CH Surface System: KO EX10
SPM1004 DSM 3CH Surface System: Futaba/HRC
SPM1101 SM1000 DSM Module: Surface, R-1
SPM1102 SM1000 DSM Module: Surface, M8
SPM1103 SM1000 DSM Module: Surface, EX10
SPM1104 SM1000 DSM Module: Surface, Futaba/HRC
SPM1200 SR3000 DSM 3CH Receiver: Surface

Remember to call ahead for stock availability and store hours.

Spektrum is a brand of Horizon Hobby, Inc. and can also be purchased online at http://www.horizonhobby.com.
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It is an interesting idea, and granted the use of 2.4 GHz would give a bit better range, I doubt seriously they could get 3000 feet out of it in a major metropolitan area. In large cities such as NY, Chicago, Dallas, etc, the 2.4 GHz band is cluttered like you wouldn't believe. Although this cluttering may not cause interference, it would at some point cause signal degradation and limit its range. Just my 2 cents.
Hmmm...it seems to me that the only range requirement for surface RC is to remain within eyesight, which means the range should never have to exceed 300' or so, not 3000'.
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:47 AM
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Can you have one module in the transmitter, and use it with multiple RC models each with their own transceivers? Radios like the M8 obviously allow programming of settings for multiple models in the radio. Can I get multiple transceivers for each car and program them all with one "common" GUID so the transmitter module will recognize any of them when they're powered on? If you have to change the transmitter module for each car, it cuts down immensly on the practicality of the system. I suspect the transmitter modules won't be dirt cheap.

Ditto on the previous questions on pricing and availability.
The Spektrum web site is now working and it has more detailed information. Beyond the pricing and availablity (and the pricing was a little better than I hoped) it explains that the GUID is hardcoded into the transmitter module. You can bind multiple transceivers for each car to a single transmitter GUID. That's perfect! Actually, the website has a clever little animation that shows the sequence the radio uses of finding an open channel and then binding with the transceiver.

If the execution and reliability matches the concept and the specs, this is going to be a quantum leap forward.
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Also, what is the response time for HRS?
Q: I understand that Spread Spectrum has a slow response time.
A: Spectrum's DSM system is optimized to give the fastest possible response time of 5.6ms. Typical FM systems offer a response time of 12 to 18ms.

we're talking 1000th's of a second here, folks. We'll never notice faster response.

It sounds like a fabulous idea, but I think I'll hold off on signing up for this until we see if it actually works as advertised. Besides, I've already got over $600 wrapped up in novak XXXtra receivers and modules for all my cars!!
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:44 PM
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testing... i think..

If Horizon has sole deistrbutorship, then i would guess that this is the very same setup that i saw T. Hodge and Kinwald (as well as a couple other Factory LOSI drivers) using this past weekend at the ROAR Region 12 race... I got a really good look at their cars and Radios... and on of the frist things i noticeced were the modules and recievers...

When i asked KINWALD who made that thing, he simply shrugged his shuolders and replied "I don't know'... A person/racer of KINWALDS stature would surely know exactly what's going on his 'garage'... SOooo, i simply took it gesture as playing possum...
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Old 10-14-2004, 03:47 PM
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Very cool stuff...RC finally joins the 21st century in radios!
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looks like a good idea for some of these 100+mph cars.
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I've seen Todd Hodge and Matt Lee from Losi using these on a number of occasions as well as the guys Orlando mentioned and this setup is trick. No antenna coming through the body of the car and only a few inch antenna coming off the module. When we were doing testing at 4 fun hobbies they never had to worry about frequancy clips and this track has a notorious glitch on the back straight and not once have I seen their cars get hit.
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Old 10-14-2004, 06:01 PM
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after reading more i am really impressed, it is top of the line in the technology department(preformance is yet to be seen) and it cost the same as a novak synth system for the M8 and the recievers are actually cheaper that the novak synth, i think i wil be getting one as soon as i get my M8 or when the become available
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It says it's compatible with the 3PK...since the modules are for the most part compatible between the 3PK and 3PJ I wonder if this will work on the 3PJ as well.
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:59 PM
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ok, this is one of the most impressive pieces of technology to hit rc since i've been involved. the fact that it plugs in your current crop of transmitters makes the Normadio look like yesterdays news. congratulations on bringing RC to another level.

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Old 10-14-2004, 10:16 PM
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This thing is going to revolutionize radio control. Can't wait for aircraft modules to come out. I have a feeling we will be seeing some Novak modules for sale on Ebay, mine included. Although I am sure Novak won't be too far behind.
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$159 for the set!!!!... that's less than a Synthesized set for my M8....and hella cheaper than buying the Nomadio System...WOW!
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