Tamiya DT-02 Thread - Page 51

pangRacer · #**1251** 02-15-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole Trickle

Hi again; Dont bother with pics, I just cancelled my DT-02 MS order, and ordered a DF-03 instead.

Not a bad idea as this is your second DF03 right? I posted in the DF03 thread my Keen Hawk, you may want to buy the DF02 U-shaft to have a stronger front suspension arm mount. Best upgrade for the stock DF03 is the white spring set and the center one-way, make the stock more drivable.

You are right NEXZZT about the DT02 not for competitive racing. My MS is my first 2WD and learning buggy. I have also a DF03 with loads of Tamiya Hop-up which I am preparing for up coming TCS race in our area. Both I considered money pit and costly learning machine. I have not done club racing yet nor any competitive race, still developing my driving and set-up skills and I can already see the logic that it is better to invest on a good kit to start with, it is much cheaper in the long term. Given the chance to buy my next 2wd buggy, I'll go for the D2.

Cole Trickle · #**1252** 02-16-2008, 03:55 AM

Thanks for the tips - I've already ordered extra springs, namely the set with red and blue springs. I dont understand about "DF02 U-shaft to have a stronger front suspension arm mount" - I'll try to find your post. If I still dont understand, I'll ask again

Yeah, in general it's cheaper in the long run, to buy a good car from start, than to hop op later on. Or as somebody else have stated: Buy cheap, and cry all the time. Buy expensive, and cry only once.

However, most likely, I'll never be racing those 1/10 el buggies - we dont have a track around here

But I like to have a reasonably car to begin with, and the DF-03 handles great out of the box. And if a weak spot show up, like the need for a slipper clutch, I can buy one. If the shock towers break a lot, I can buy graphite ones.

And that's the reason for why I cancelled the DT-02 MS order - it's already hopped op, and the weak turnbuckle mount on the gear case makes me worry - no optional graphite parts... It also lacks different mount for camber links.

Cole Trickle · #**1253** 02-16-2008, 01:49 PM

pangRacer: Now I got that about the U-shaft right. Are you running it both front and rear? did it break a lot before you mounted it? My sons DF-03 with a standard motor, havent broken a single piece yet... Which motor are you using? I plan on using a 18x4, so maybe I dont need it...

Thx.

swannco · #**1254** 02-16-2008, 03:15 PM

Hey m0ng00se, sorry it took so long to reply, its been crazy.

df-03 part # 53926 from tamiya usa for $87, but you can get them for $76 or so other places.

i like the duratrax 4200 b/c they're cheap & reliable so far.

thecraze · #**1255** 02-16-2008, 04:21 PM

Hey guys, I have the Velineon brushless in, and it's great! I'm using the 17 tooth, and the motor is even cooler than the stock, so i think I'm safe until I get a 16 or 15 tooth in. I just had to modify the gearbox to make the motor fit because of the screws it has on the edge of the motor near the shaft.

pangRacer · #**1256** 02-17-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cole Trickle

pangRacer: Now I got that about the U-shaft right. Are you running it both front and rear? did it break a lot before you mounted it? My sons DF-03 with a standard motor, havent broken a single piece yet... Which motor are you using? I plan on using a 18x4, so maybe I dont need it...

Thx.

Hi Cole, DF02 U shaft PN 51082 @ $2.90/pcs.and I used in both front and rear. I also ordered one for my DT0 MS to finalized my bullet-proof mods.

I broke my suspension arm mount and damper stay at the same time when I used Proline Dirt Hawg in front and rear, my Keen Hawk became unstable and I lost control and hit a concrete wall with Tamiya RZ Motor 23T.

My observation is that the quality and durability of their kits dont give justice the high-end sticker printing and packaging. They are using German and swiss-made machines to print and manufacture the packaging but the kits are not at the same level in terms of design and material. Get a magnifying glass and check the six-color dots on the box, you will understand what I am referring to. My MS plus the tires and add on to make it bullet proof is the same price you get a B4 or a Kyosho and still very far to either in terms tunability...

I am hoping Tamiya come up with a competition grade 2WD buggy soon.

m0ng00se · #**1257** 02-17-2008, 06:36 AM

hehe, no problem swannco. i found the same part and price. i find that quite expensive, considering the fact that ill probably never race it. higher ride height and stiffer springers are neccesary though. anything cheaper that i can try? thx.

thecraze · #**1258** 02-17-2008, 10:22 AM

pangracer, Tamiya had a competition grade 2wd a couple of times (Astute [arguably] and Dyna Storm), and they didn't take off. It is more profitable for them to keep making bashers because that's what people know them for. I'm happy bashing this thing, and that's something you can't do with Losi, or Assosiated.

pangRacer · #**1259** 02-17-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by thecraze

pangracer, Tamiya had a competition grade 2wd a couple of times (Astute [arguably] and Dyna Storm), and they didn't take off. It is more profitable for them to keep making bashers because that's what people know them for. I'm happy bashing this thing, and that's something you can't do with Losi, or Assosiated.

You are right in the profitability on selling to bashers like me. The MS highlighted the weak points of the DT02. I don't race but I observed that the obstacles in the offroad track are far more challenging than the parking lot or backyard. I spent $220 on this puppy and that price is comparable to out of the box Kyosho, Losi or Associated. Again this is my learning car and I am challenged to make this an All-Tamiya strong 2WD.

thecraze · #**1260** 02-17-2008, 11:16 AM

Unfortunately, there is no track around here for me to test my car or skill.

pangRacer · #**1261** 02-17-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by thecraze

Unfortunately, there is no track around here for me to test my car or skill.

There are at least 3 offroad tracks around about 50 miles away from where I live. I practice my driving skill in our backyard and driveway using several cones and water hose to simulate the turns and small bumps on the track and this is where I damaged my rear turnbukle mounts in the gear case. In a controlled All-tamiya environment like the TCS, its mostly driving skill but in the off-road track condition, set-up will help a lot in your driving skill and the DT02 is dead-end when it comes to tunability. I like the Tamiya package and sticker though.

thecraze · #**1262** 02-17-2008, 04:47 PM

I've put my DT-02 through a lot, and I think it can hold it's own in a race. Maybe not blow everyone away, but do alright. I was just running around, and took a few shots. What do you guys think?

swannco · #**1263** 02-17-2008, 09:01 PM

hey m0ng00se,

i've tried a set of stock losi xxx-t springs on the rear and they give it some serious height. they are taller and slightly fatter, but they give tons of clearance even with dirt hawgs on the back. watch fleabay for a pair of cheap used ones for a couple of bucks. its not a perfect solution, but its dirt cheap.

i agree with the craze about bashing v. racing. i had a losi and it just wasn't happy withstanding the abuse that i normally give my dt-02 in a day's bashing. i do not doubt that the losi would have run rings around it on the track however.

happily, i don't race and just bash, so the dt-02 keeps me happy and i'm not always wrenching on it. or worse yet, waiting for the blasted parts to be off back order from the factory. that was the biggest reason i just never repaired the losi after the last time it got damaged. i waited 3 months for parts and in the meantime got fed up and bought something else - my sand viper! so far, no serious complaints. that's where i got the idea to try the losi springs on the dt-02, LOL! it was just sitting there w/ parts on back order so i started canabilizing it and have bits of it on all kinds of tamiya project now

thecraze · #**1264** 02-17-2008, 09:25 PM

Hey guys, this was fun... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhhrFTpfnek

nexzzt · #**1265** 02-17-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thecraze

Hey guys, this was fun... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhhrFTpfnek

Wheres the wheelies??

Cole Trickle · #**1266** 02-18-2008, 03:46 AM

I see the point for Tamiya about making good bashing cars...

But I'll bet any top-driver would beat me with a DT-02, while I was running the ultimate 4WD Kyosho/Losi whatever... The main thing is still the driver !

Anyway, I ordered a DF-03 for a good price. Just did some calculations, and I can get alu dampers, CVD's for the front, turnbuckles and a slipper clutch, and the total price is the same as a Kyosho Lazer ZX5 non-SP kit.

That would make them quite even. And the DF-03 wont get small rocks in the pinon/spur, which could happen with the Kyosho...

Unfortunately we dont have a track around here, so I'll never find out in the real world. But it could be fun to try out

thecraze · #**1267** 02-18-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nexzzt

Wheres the wheelies??

Digital camera + brushless system = NO WHEELIES! LOL.

I have my ball diff adjusted to the point where I don't do wheelies, anyway.

hanafuda · #**1268** 02-18-2008, 08:35 AM

I have my parts ordered.

DF-03 alumi shocks and spring set.
DT-02 turnbuckle set.

Gave the car a good service at the weekend. Stripped it right down to the diff.

Does anyone know if the Super Fighter G kit can handle a Sand Viper or Wild Gator body without modification?

@ Toonz

How is the Durga? I'm pretty sure I'll be getting one in a couple of months. Would be interested to hear your impressions.

m0ng00se · #**1269** 02-18-2008, 09:18 AM

Hey hanafuda, did you order the #53926 suspension kit?

swannco · #**1270** 02-18-2008, 02:31 PM

hanafuda,

i know the super fighter g body will NOT fit on the sand viper without changing the front body post. not sure about the other way around. the holes seem to line up, but the post is much too short on the viper. i suspect the gator body would sit way too high on the fighter posts unless you modify it.

hanafuda · #**1271** 02-18-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m0ng00se

Hey hanafuda, did you order the #53926 suspension kit?

Yeah, those and the 927 spring set.

@ Swannco

Thanks. The front mount on the SFG is white. I figure you just need the appropriate front mount depending on the body.

pangRacer · #**1272** 02-18-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole Trickle

I see the point for Tamiya about making good bashing cars...

But I'll bet any top-driver would beat me with a DT-02, while I was running the ultimate 4WD Kyosho/Losi whatever... The main thing is still the driver !

Anyway, I ordered a DF-03 for a good price. Just did some calculations, and I can get alu dampers, CVD's for the front, turnbuckles and a slipper clutch, and the total price is the same as a Kyosho Lazer ZX5 non-SP kit.

That would make them quite even. And the DF-03 wont get small rocks in the pinon/spur, which could happen with the Kyosho...

Unfortunately we dont have a track around here, so I'll never find out in the real world. But it could be fun to try out

Tested today my MS with Tamiya Spike tires on the rear and it worked perfect with front Proline wide 4-rib in the pavement. The mods are working perfectly in absorbing some heavy impacts. I am going to a clay track this weekend to checkout the real world.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...r/L1010206.jpg

You can't go wrong with DF03, it is also my 4wd buggy learning machine. I run it twice in a clay track and the steering mods help a lot with reducing the understeer...real tracks are known to have not so wide turns. You may want to have center one-way to make it more drivable.

Here is the detail of front-end mod: upper A-arm using double turnbuckle in both ends, FRP hinge pin retainer, x-brace using DF03 turnbuckles not shown is a Kimbrough medium servo saver.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...r/L1010209.jpg

Cole Trickle · #**1273** 02-19-2008, 02:18 AM

pangRacer, nice mods

I havent seen a center one way locally, only a front one way. I'll check that...

thecraze · #**1274** 02-19-2008, 06:21 AM

Nice mods, pangracer

swannco · #**1275** 02-19-2008, 02:38 PM

If anyone has one, or has seen the correct body post & mount for a superfighter G on sale somewhere, I would be grateful if you'd pass the info my way.

I kinda want to be able to change bodies, but don't have the part. I'm also missing the wing and goodies like driver and sidepods, but figure they will come on a parts tree. maybe. don't know for sure.

I've been looking for any dt-02 bodies that would / could be made to fit, but every place is back-ordered or WAAAAY too expensive with shipping costs.