new boater advice

aim300x · #1 09-24-2005, 03:06 PM

Hi guys , im coming from rc cars and thinking about giving boats a try , i need some advice or your opinons what might be good for me . I dont know anything about them at the moment so please be clear . Ok i would be useing this boat in salt water and conditions are usally rough . I talked to a local club boat member and his recommends were as follows
1 v-hull Length 50 to 52 inch - I would think bigger would be better in the rough?
2 Engine gas 26 modded[i think he said hanson not sure]theres 4 versions of the modded motors and he said to get middle of the road as it doesnt require a ignitor and battery for the motor .
3 A clutch setup
4 diaphram water pump
5 budget of 1500.00
He also said it might be a good idea to have some1 set it up for the 1st time. Areomarine and warehouse hobby were good builders he said. He liked the surfacedrive warehouse hobby makes . I noticed warehose has a double rudder setup to, is this a desired rudder setup or is one rudder good .
If i went with areomarine they dont offer this drive and rudder setup ?
Do they sell this boat in a rtr forum with all good stuff or kits/peices
So that was the basic recommends and was hoping you could give me some info on what your opnions were for me . txs

He demonstrated a 10 year old boat for me , it was a 50in v hull/23cc engine painted up like popeys race boat. It was rough out and it was dancing around a bit .He said the boat went around 45mph. This was the 1st time ive seen a boat run and was lovin it. hehe wait till the wife hears i have another addiction.

Hydro Junkie · #2 09-24-2005, 10:06 PM

The recommendations you were given, for the conditions you described, are actually right on the money. I would recommend a RTR WWH Super G or one of their other boats with a covered engine bay. You will find several threads about the WWH boats in the Gas/Nitro section. One thing you need to be sure you do is do a thorough cleaning after you go boating. Failure to do so will result in rusted/corroded running gear. Also, if you order a RTR, be sure to get your boat with an FM or FM/PCM radio.

aim300x · #3 09-25-2005, 12:41 AM

Txs hydro for the info , i will do a search on this boat. I watched a guy do a flush of motor/wash boat then wd/40/took out drive shaft and clean/grease next day he said. I just wanted to get some opinions as i would hate to buy the wrong stuff for what i doing with it. txs

Doubledog · #4 09-25-2005, 04:06 AM

Links....................... and a bunch of them.

AC Boats......... some of the fastest

AeroMarine

Bonzi'

Seaducer

Enforcer/WHH

Insane Boats

PSR Boats....... My boats & made in Germany.

http://www.rossisales.com/

Places to buy...................

http://discounthobbies4u.com/

http://www.funrcboats.com/

http://www.horizonhobby.com/

http://groups.msn.com/HYPERRTORQUEMARINE

http://www.marinespecialties-rc.com/

http://www.mhz-modellbau.com/.

http://www.mastonsrcmarine.com/My_H...iles/Page6.html

Take your time & do some research. Do not get all hyped up over a few words in a magazine or some pics on the net. Ask around, use that neat little search button up at the top of the page & get real feedback from real people. Not just programmed responses. Look at longevity of a boat too. Is it still going to be in as good of shape three years from now as it was when you bought it? Ie, stress cracks, gel splitting etc....

Take a deep breath & get the butterflies out & make a wise purchase.

Hydro Junkie · #5 09-25-2005, 10:51 PM

DD, why don't you tell him about your experience with your "G"? I know you hate to talk about your boats

Doubledog · #6 09-26-2005, 01:59 PM

Bud, this guy is shooting from the 15 Oh, Oh, mark (1500 $'s). Super G' my tail~!

Got to give Enforcer / Warehouse Hobbies the credit they deserve. They're not going to be the fastest, but they're built like a brick out-house. Makes me think now... how many complaints have you heard about Enforcer? <scratches head and moves on to another thread>

Hydro Junkie · #7 09-26-2005, 05:13 PM

Now don't you feel better, DD?

Besides, he said a $1500 BUDGET, not that he wanted to HAVE to spend $1500. I think that's the kind of owner feed back he may want to hear

aim300x · #8 09-26-2005, 11:24 PM

Wow txs for all the links , and good advice in not rushing into something. Im a little confused about the G . Did you have bad luck with yours ? Ive been reading post and people say the g was good rough water boat and there was alot of debate on the twin rudder setup .The racers seem to hate the dual rudder setup because of extra drag and possably causeing handling promblems. The non racing boater recommends the dual rudder setup as they say it helped them with the stability. Ahh were lost now.
Well i still want a boat thats good for the rough bay waters. Hull should be strong and forgiving as im a newbie, and run a mod26hanson. I also need boat built and tested with someone who knows what there doing .
Areo marine gets about 1700.00 rtr and water tested. What do they mean when they say water tested, do they float it in tub or do they actually test drive it? I read on the forums that customers still had to reset the setting when they received there new rtr aero. That it wasnt setup correctly kinda makes me nervous to use them . Anyone who wants to recommend someone who is good to use for a package deal that works correctly feel free to advise me .
I cant find any topics on how the size of the hull affects the handing of the boat. With real boats a 40foot is going to be much better in the ocean then a 30 footer. Is this the same with rc boats?
Would it be safe to say a 55in apache will be better in the rough then a 46in enforcer ?
Sorry for all the blah blah , but im still unsure on what size hull and who to have setup.I truly appr. you taking time to help me .

Chris LaPanse · #9 09-27-2005, 12:38 AM

As for 55" being better than 46"? Absolutely. A larger boat of similar design will always be better for rough water.

WARNING - shameless advertisemnt for Enforcer - WARNING

I have an Enforcer Manta Ray (55"), and love it. It is great in rough water, and the dual rudders are wonderful for responsiveness and handling. Not necessary for racing, but they do aid in the responsiveness and cornering significantly. Overall, it's a great boat, and as DD said, built like a brick outhouse. Also, I have yet to hear someone unhappy with WH.

Doubledog · #10 09-27-2005, 02:39 AM

Just going from hear-say about some other builders.... (speaking of typical fun run boats or lets even say.... out of Bonzi', AM, Forabuck, those types) I'd go Enforcer. Really can't say as anyone has heard a bad thing about quality issues. His boats are strong & will take a beating outright. Buy it without the engine (because you're hung up on this Hanson) LOL, and save a little more. Enforcer mod engines are not known for being super fast but quality.

If I do it again with them, I'll buy the Manta & build it myself using their schematics. Its easy & saves some bucks. Most that have done it will tell you the instructions are very straight foreward & its hard to mess up. Can be rewarding and loads of fun. You don't have to buy direct from Warehouse Hobbies as there are retailers that carry their products. My feelings are that Mr C' would not vendor out his product if he didn't feel that they'd be able to provide quality customer service.

Nutter subject... Size. Yes, got larger if you'll be out in open water. You'll appreciate your boat more. There is a huge difference between 46 & 55 in.

Dual rudders? Opinions please.

I've always ran single but have wanted to try the dual. So what if it scrubs a mph or two. Can you see it with your own eye? Doubt it. Its mainly about bench racin' bragging rights. A boat with dual rudders might handle much better though be slower & still beat your buddies who's faster & less stabile. For play, go dual. You can always remove one later & keep as a spare right.

RTR.... ? You learn the in's & out's of a boat if you build it. Kinda like when ARF's became popluar in airplanes. My first was a Tower Trainer & I busted the wing. Didn't know how to do the repair because I didn't "know" it on another level. (not the same as a boat but similar circumstance).

*please note* about building... all you'e doing is taping the schematic to the back of the boat & drilling through the paper, putting some screws here & there, along with mounting the radio box. Two evenings at the most if you take your time. Not like guessing "oh S###, now where does this go".

Take care & feel free to holler.

ejp · #11 09-27-2005, 07:11 PM

COME ON GUYS. The Bonzi edge is a great beginner boat!!!! I can pick mine up with one hand and there is no sign of stress!!! I love my boat and it is pretty quick for a G230RC

aim300x · #12 09-28-2005, 12:42 AM

Guys thank you so much for the replies , i look at the 57 manta and the 57 magnum and was surprised at the weight differences of 3 to 4 pounds between these hulls . The magnum being heaviest at 9 to 10 pounds is there rough water performer. I like the way both these boats look , I also like that xxx boat at aeromarine . I reading as many posts as i can on all topics to try and get better understanding and now im thinking the rtr might not be such a good idea for me. I like the personal touches people put into there boats when building it themselves and of course you can save some money doing it yourself and use better parts. I read some good articales on building it yourself and im feeling like i might want to look into that, so im off to do some reading. Txs for not making me settle

Doubledog · #13 09-28-2005, 02:25 AM

How many of us have jumped on here with a problem & get a quick fix?

I keep a camera in my shop just for those purposes.

Chris LaPanse · #14 09-28-2005, 07:40 PM

DD - as for the dual rudder, I can tell you that it really helps handling, especially turning left (we don't do that very much, ut it is where you'll see the most gain over a single offset rudder). It makes the boat (at least the manta) much more controllable, and much more progressive feel in the turns. Also looks cool

Burkey1000 · #15 10-01-2005, 11:34 PM

One of the best ofshore hulls for realy rough water is the Apache, they are a dream for the sea. Get the 56 inch, through some hardware on it either inline rudder or duel, not offset, and get the rudder behind the prop. As for the motor. A high reving motor is just what you dont want for rough weather or sea conditions. You need a motor with more torque than rpm. In the sea the prop will be out the water alot more than on a lake, so i would say skip the hanson, and go for one from Venom racing. They do a few good engines that are made for torque which is what you need. Bonzi and super g are good boats but for the sea, it has to be an apache everytime, they can go pretty quick too. As for the clutch, not sure, you need a water pump when you have a clutch, mix it with sea water, seems like it may be a problem waiting to happen. Keep it simple, keep it big and get a motor thats tunned for torque, not high rpm racing motors. Without the clutch theres no need for a water pump so alot less to go wrong and clog up. Also makes the maintainence more easy too. Good luck with the build.