[captain carl]

I tottaly agree that a fixed .raced out,1000 dollar kyosho anything is tough
BUT like earlier i was kinda refering to the RTR stuff --its rubbish or garbage in american.....
anyways i hope you have fun with it --
kyosho rtr stuff could be sold at toys-r-us its that crappy
and to get it the way you want it with all the add ons youd be better off just buying one that way ---used--

[ericem]

what are u talking about? Mr. -- i think some kyosho rtr's are very good, i dont hear any complaints with the kyosho inferno ST US, just complaints from people who dont even own them.

[AreCee]

I'll let you know if I like my ST US when it comes in. I even plan to race it. Should get it next week. (I hope it doesn't perform better than my SP2, that would really bite.)

[captain carl]

Originally Posted by ericem

what are u talking about? Mr. -- i think some kyosho rtr's are very good, i dont hear any complaints with the kyosho inferno ST US, just complaints from people who dont even own them.

eh like um eh mr wat u takin aboot?
i have an mp 777 after trading a 1000 .61 boat i had to put about 600 dollars in it ...hell i didnt even build it, ron tribado (a local rc hero ) put it together ---it ran great for about 2 races (30minutes)--and ive been plagued with manufaturing flaws.every race engine comes out, diff fliud replaced ,clutchs recut ,i have to do this to keep this buggie from breakin on me --so im jusy saying ,a couple of peeps come to my hobby shop with em
,they buy rtr thinking that they are getting a top quality rc and it is not.
i had a old kyosho nitro truck it was crappy --i have a newer kyosho it is still crappy --maybe im just jaded
so any ways ---- YOULL WISH YO BOUGHT THE MUGEN LATEr
__________ ____--and youll have the buyers remorse

[captain carl]

i think u should buy a mp-777 1/8 buggie with all aluminum hops and os 30 sv
i know a friend that knows a friend that would ship it for 1000$ lol ha ha

[ericem]

Originally Posted by captain carl

eh like um eh mr wat u takin aboot?
i have an mp 777 after trading a 1000 .61 boat i had to put about 600 dollars in it ...hell i didnt even build it, ron tribado (a local rc hero ) put it together ---it ran great for about 2 races (30minutes)--and ive been plagued with manufaturing flaws.every race engine comes out, diff fliud replaced ,clutchs recut ,i have to do this to keep this buggie from breakin on me --so im jusy saying ,a couple of peeps come to my hobby shop with em
,they buy rtr thinking that they are getting a top quality rc and it is not.
i had a old kyosho nitro truck it was crappy --i have a newer kyosho it is still crappy --maybe im just jaded
so any ways ---- YOULL WISH YO BOUGHT THE MUGEN LATEr
__________ ____--and youll have the buyers remorse

i dont know buddy, lets hear from AreCee, i think it will be a good truck though.

[Saboteur]

The Jammin RTR truggy isn't much more durable than the Kyosho IMO as there aren't much more alloy parts nor is it the 7075 alum. They both feature plastic shocks and other plastic parts. I romped around with my Kyosho RTR with no issue. The .28 is quite reliable too with the 30% byrons I've been running. It may be based of the 7.5 and not the 777, but that doesn't mean it's rubbish. I'll be running mine again this weekend and testing it out on some new terrain. Look at it this way the kit is designed to be raced and it has all the upgrades. Would you bash a $700 vehicle not to mention have to purchase engine, pipe, top notch servos to operate it? It will save in the longrun, but for future issues like runaways or crashes, I'd rather have an RTR run over instead of the Pro kit.

[ericem]

very very true, i dont hear any bad things though like i said about the kyosho inferno st, if u havent owned it, dont say its rubbish.

[AreCee]

I plan on dropping in a couple extra digital servos I have as soon as I get the truggy. Also I will fill the diffs with fluid and check/tighten all the screws. I may just drop in my 2.4GHz Rx but that may be later.

[ericem]

Great, and possibly get a video, thanks! And do a full review!

[Chaka75]

i'd quite interested in that review as I am going to purchase the rtr tomorrow

[rc411]

Originally Posted by ericem

I think ill sell my hyper 7 pcr with xs3 conrtoller and hitec 645mg for throttle and steering for 500 and buy the inferno st sport truggy rtr witht the .28. Are they good? Are they equal or more durable then my hyper 7? And how nice is the radio? And the servos? Thanks guys.

the truggy is horribly stripped... there were lots of shortcuts when developing the RTR vehicle. There is also a good reason that this RTR doesn't sell well at all. The servos, engine... bogus. The steering is poor compared to the kit... the truck flat out sucks when compared to the standards of RTR truggies.

[ericem]

ya didnt buy it bought a ST-1 lol this is pretty old guys

[rc411]

chaka... save your money and get something better.

[ericem]

Ya get the Thunder tiger ST-1. Has good servo's out of the box and a fine engine!

rc411 with my xs3 radio the servo's definitly seem faster running via BEC(downed to 4.8v) on fast mode. compared to stock radio equipment. Stock steering servo is very good to.

[rc411]

110 ounces is NOT suffice for buggy or truggy. The engine is a tank (slug) and the servos are below par. Eric has yet to even have his finished break in. The only thing he has done is read the magazine, the ad, and now he's professional on the truck.

[ericem]

Buddy you don't need to own a vehicle for years to realized the electronics are good. I don't understand the issue with 110oz. They seem faster then my 645MG's. And turn the wheels easily on carpet. What is your problem? The motor isn't a slug either. Can you stop being such a sponsored big shot.

[rc411]

you are definitely dumb. 100% stupid. 110 ounces is terrible for a steering servo, let alone in a TRUGGY.

that engine is a DOG... Dee oh Gee. all its peak power is made before 20k rpm... its a low rpm engine, weak as hell.

Everyone knows that over 200 ounces of torque is suffice for a steering servo on a truggy. the 645 is an economy servo... strictly designed to use as a upgrade servo for electrics

[ericem]

Oh buddy there is NOTHING WRONG WITH STOCK ENGINE AND SERVO's leave you insulting *******.

[rc411]

nothing wrong with the oem servos on the thunder tiger st1? oh really? then why do people upgrade the engine and the servos? Its the most common upgrade on the Thunder Tiger ST1. People who use it on track will agree with me... there is no way you can compete with those.

[ericem]

Ok we can upgrade as we want. But out of the box they are MORE then sufficient. Ill bet I could compete on a track no problem. I would just need a better wheel combo.

[rc411]

LOL... the truck pushes like crazy, it has HORRIBLE on power steering. you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

[ericem]

-_- ....... Man you know a car with no powersteering??? When you move it is ALOT easier to turn. Now imagine you can turn the wheels on carpet NOT moving easily. Now if the vehicle was moving the wheels could turn even MORE easily. So I really can't figure out why it is not OK. Its not like u can not steer at all with stock servo's and they are plastic geared.

[rc411]

no one drives truggy on carpet lol. you gotta be kidding me. you might as well stop typing... the more you post, the less intelligent you really are.

You dont even know what on-power steering is? instead of turning with the throttle, you have to either coast or brake in the turns. Why? because that truck pushes like a tank. Take that thing in the dirt, where people actually drive truggy. you wont be able to turn sharp without being on the brakes or coasting through turns.

[ericem]

There is more friction on carpet then aspalt or a clay track do you realize that??? I guess you must race your vehicles without tuning any suspension or anything. You just go to the track 100% stock and whichever handled best is the absolute best truggy on earth........